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posted
by:
Franky

rank: Miles

Posted by Enaragon:
Actually, I got past that part yesterday lol. I feel stupid now. How do you recruit Sigurd? He goes missing after I kill drekar.

He'll join you later on in the story. Just keep playing.

Just wondering, does starting a Robbing industry harm your reputaion?
posted
by:
Flip_King

rank: Miles
Hello

I need help,Where do you go to find (city) the chairman of Work Merchants,were you will be talking to the secretary?(My mouse accidentally double-clicked into the mission and i couldnt read it )

Q2: Where could you find a huge amount of M6 missiles?
Q3: Is the digital scope (6.6million) worth it?,
Q4: What are the most effective items to buy and sell in the Qubba region from the market?

Well thats all i can think of,Thanks.
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by Flip_King:
Hello

I need help,Where do you go to find (city) the chairman of Work Merchants,were you will be talking to the secretary?(My mouse accidentally double-clicked into the mission and i couldnt read it )

Q2: Where could you find a huge amount of M6 missiles?
Q3: Is the digital scope (6.6million) worth it?,
Q4: What are the most effective items to buy and sell in the Qubba region from the market?

Well thats all i can think of,Thanks.

A1) From Calvin, or if you are playing the good guys, you will see it when you get to Janubi.

A2) Pick up a few at a time. Northway, Ausx and Qubba are the most likely places to have them, but you aren't going to get a "huge amount" in any one place.

A3) Probably not, unless you are trying to turn an Accuracy 3 character into a sniper. The M21 sniper rifles are hyper accurate, and with the basic scope (around 200k each) most of my guys with at least 7 accuracy are at 100% from all the way across the board.

A4) Buy concrete in Qubba and sell pretty much everywhere else. Buy yarn (or start a yarn industry yourself) and sell in Qubba. Qubba also buys fuel at an okay price and sells salt that other places buy. Your problem is going to be bankrupting the towns, because concrete averages about a 1k/kg profit, so you can make a lot of money quick, but it takes a while for the towns to recover money for the next buying round. I usually trade until I bankrupt the crap out of everyone, then head to Federation and poach police looking for mercenary recruits and make a butt-ton from their gold and selling off their weapons and armor. Funny, you can bankrupt the markets in towns, but the gun and general stores never seem to run out of money!!! LOL
posted
by:
Flip_King

rank: Miles

Posted by DavidJ:
A1) From Calvin, or if you are playing the good guys, you will see it when you get to Janubi.

A2) Pick up a few at a time. Northway, Ausx and Qubba are the most likely places to have them, but you aren't going to get a "huge amount" in any one place.

A3) Probably not, unless you are trying to turn an Accuracy 3 character into a sniper. The M21 sniper rifles are hyper accurate, and with the basic scope (around 200k each) most of my guys with at least 7 accuracy are at 100% from all the way across the board.

A4) Buy concrete in Qubba and sell pretty much everywhere else. Buy yarn (or start a yarn industry yourself) and sell in Qubba. Qubba also buys fuel at an okay price and sells salt that other places buy. Your problem is going to be bankrupting the towns, because concrete averages about a 1k/kg profit, so you can make a lot of money quick, but it takes a while for the towns to recover money for the next buying round. I usually trade until I bankrupt the crap out of everyone, then head to Federation and poach police looking for mercenary recruits and make a butt-ton from their gold and selling off their weapons and armor. Funny, you can bankrupt the markets in towns, but the gun and general stores never seem to run out of money!!! LOL

Thanks for advice and answers,They are in Tifk I finally found them LOL even though i pass them on my trading route anyways Thanks.

oh and is the minigun worth the buy?
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by Flip_King:
Thanks for advice and answers,They are in Tifk I finally found them LOL even though i pass them on my trading route anyways Thanks.

oh and is the minigun worth the buy?

Never used it. Accuracy sucks, but I guess if you want to throw a few hundred shells downrange and see what sticks it might be. Not my style, though. I prefer precision, which is why I like the M21s with scopes and accurate mercs, myself.
posted
by:
impetrare

rank: Miles
"I usually trade until I bankrupt the crap out of everyone"

Bad idea. If you leave some 10k for the city it will be refundet much faster. Or this is at least my experiance.
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by impetrare:
"I usually trade until I bankrupt the crap out of everyone"

Bad idea. If you leave some 10k for the city it will be refundet much faster. Or this is at least my experiance.

Good to know, thanks. Will back off about four tons of concrete per town then to give them some seed money to work with. Will see how that goes.
posted
by:
SirDuncanTheDonut

rank: Miles

Posted by impetrare:
"I usually trade until I bankrupt the crap out of everyone"

Bad idea. If you leave some 10k for the city it will be refundet much faster. Or this is at least my experiance.

Is there a way to determine or at least estimate the amount of money a city has without trying to sell a large amount of stuff at the marketplace?
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by SirDuncanTheDonut:
Is there a way to determine or at least estimate the amount of money a city has without trying to sell a large amount of stuff at the marketplace?

Not that I've found. You sell until their money line gets crossed out, then back off until it isn't. But according to what was said here, probably best to back off another 10k or so at least from that point, to give them enough to recover quicker.
posted
by:
Enaragon

rank: Miles
Just wondering. I have always considered accuracy to be a dump stat because of how accuracy can be trained. But what is the best way to train all my 3 acc mercs to a level where they can hit reliably with rifles all they way across the map? What schools are the best? Is the a cap to how skilled or how accurate you can get?

(I'm a min/max person)
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by Enaragon:
Just wondering. I have always considered accuracy to be a dump stat because of how accuracy can be trained. But what is the best way to train all my 3 acc mercs to a level where they can hit reliably with rifles all they way across the map? What schools are the best? Is the a cap to how skilled or how accurate you can get?

(I'm a min/max person)

Um, while accuracy might be a "dump stat" for main characters (arguably), I would say it is NOT a dump stat for mercs. I tend to attack federation police, take prisoners, and can have 8+ in Physical/Accuracy/Agility. Int is irrelevant for my late-game mercs. I don't plan to go back to the police academy to train them. No need. With M16's or Sniper Rifles and scopes, pretty much everyone with 7+ accuracy hits from across the board.

Plus low accuracy mercs will KILL your ability to deal damage with bazookas/launchers, which is critical in the Fed Army fights.
posted
by:
Enaragon

rank: Miles
I see, but is it possible to compensate for low accuracy with high skills in ranged weapons? Theoretically, will high int characters eventually surpass high acc characters given enough training? Or is there a cap to how accurate a character can get (for example, if his base acc is 3, is there a maximum to how good he can get?)
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by Enaragon:
I see, but is it possible to compensate for low accuracy with high skills in ranged weapons? Theoretically, will high int characters eventually surpass high acc characters given enough training? Or is there a cap to how accurate a character can get (for example, if his base acc is 3, is there a maximum to how good he can get?)

Don't know, but I've spent millions training the base mercs I had, and the one or two with lower than 7 accuracy still aren't quite 100% across the board, more like 50-60%, so I would ditch 3 accuracy mercs in favor of better ones a soon as I could capture some fed police. I wouldn't spend a ton of money on trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
posted
by:
tiagocesar

rank: Tiro
Can I save the game?
posted
by:
impetrare

rank: Miles

Posted by tiagocesar:
Can I save the game?

Of course
posted
by:
impetrare

rank: Miles

Posted by DavidJ:
Don't know, but I've spent millions training the base mercs I had, and the one or two with lower than 7 accuracy still aren't quite 100% across the board, more like 50-60%, so I would ditch 3 accuracy mercs in favor of better ones a soon as I could capture some fed police. I wouldn't spend a ton of money on trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

I have the same experiance that training would not compensate initial skill, at least not to an extend to mention.

I got best results in capturing shinobi pilligars, I keep all with at least 4/8/8/4 but i got some x/10/9/x and x/9/9/x.

Physical state is not important, goods and personal are caried by horses and even fed armies dont come to round 3. All my people are equiped with m21's and 2 or 3 scope. But to warn you, I destroyed fed in the year 13 or 14 ...
posted
by:
Confused

rank: Tiro
Would anyone be able to help me?

I'm currently in Qubba, because the liberation army leader told me to go there. However, there is no one here waiting for me and I'm not sure what to do. I've already been to my bunker and my secondary mission is to find my people.
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens
Okay, can SOMEONE please tell me how you get Fafnir to ONLY Kill the Lintu leader and not wipe out the whole place? I want to recruit Lois and wipe out the bad guys, but I want to milk this region a bit more before moving on, but as soon as Lintu is gone, moneymaking in the initial area is pretty much dead.

Also, do I need to recruit a merc or two in order to keep Lois alive? That chick seems dead set on getting herself killed. I got them to go out and fight, but I can't seem to take out all the bad guys before she managed to charge a group and get killed (despite her having twice as many people as they do).

Third, HOW DO I GET THE GOLD? I've heard it somehow ends up being hidden in Pullid or something, but I can't seem to trigger that mission. I've already beaten the game and the ending is lame (with my 1 int anyway) but I'd like to play again as slaver/Calvin ally, but I want to get all the free volunteers I can. The first time through I coulnd't get Lois or Sigurd, so want to do that right this time. Any walkthrough would be very much appreciated.
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by Confused:
Would anyone be able to help me?

I'm currently in Qubba, because the liberation army leader told me to go there. However, there is no one here waiting for me and I'm not sure what to do. I've already been to my bunker and my secondary mission is to find my people.

You need to go to the president's office in Qubba and talk to the president.
posted
by:
Tragiity

rank: Tiro
How can I get positive reputation for Ozbet? They blocked me out of their cities haha.. I got industries there so i hope it's not forever
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by Tragiity:
How can I get positive reputation for Ozbet? They blocked me out of their cities haha.. I got industries there so i hope it's not forever

You must have tried smuggling alcohol or weed into their cities. Best I can advise is kill bandits in the region. If you can get into any of the cities with a jail, turning in prisoners helps too, but if not just go bandit hunting and don't run alcohol or drugs.
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens
Did you complete all the liberation missions? There has to be a trigger from one of the missions that populates the presidents office as an enterable location. Backtrack and see if you have done all the Liberation missions. Talk to him and see if you can trigger any more. Best I can think.
posted
by:
deadnoob

rank: Miles
spoilers
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by deadnoob:
spoilers

It's a game, and a ridiculously time-intensive one at that. I don't see any issues about folks sharing bits and pieces they have learned about completing certain missions. If there is, then I'm definitely done replaying this thing, because I don't have time to keep trial and erroring my way through.
posted
by:
SirDuncanTheDonut

rank: Miles

Posted by impetrare:
I have the same experiance that training would not compensate initial skill, at least not to an extend to mention.

I got best results in capturing shinobi pilligars, I keep all with at least 4/8/8/4 but i got some x/10/9/x and x/9/9/x.

Physical state is not important, goods and personal are caried by horses and even fed armies dont come to round 3. All my people are equiped with m21's and 2 or 3 scope. But to warn you, I destroyed fed in the year 13 or 14 ...

What do you mean by "round 3?" Also, I think that having some physical strength is important for having enough HP, but having at least 3 strength is important.
posted
by:
ivan

rank: Decanus
well i just started playing the game on monday and after testing 2 rounds with the stats, 8 physical, 10agi, 1acc, 1int was my first one then i realized i was learning stuff n gaining experience too slowly for everything (because i love grinding and maxing out everything so a 1 int exp rate is horrible and i saw how u guys said that INT grants u additional options/gameplay) going physical and agi lets me start the game easily but its gonna get tough without accuracy and if u want to grind up might as well grind all the way with INT is what i feel.

So 2 hours later (after playing a little n reading message boards) i tried using 10 physical, 2agi, 1acc, 7int because i feel it will help me out with carrying stuff since i wish to be a solo player n not use merc or volunteers, trading at the starting area was fine and all and i grinded my ap directly fighting rovers and had 30ap already n reached the part where i have to kill kevin n i realize even though i started with 2agi i was alot slower then most enemies at first but after my first few rovers battle my speed was faster then them and i started faster then kevin too and killed him instantly. This actually meant that agi is a pretty much a useless stat too.

As soon as i realized AP = speed in battle and my character is just riding on horses 24/7 and since i only have 2agi n 1acc at that time i had to grind like crazy because my accuracy was like 20% using melee attacks which also became a greater nightmare when it became 5% with 1agi 1acc when i fought against shinobis, so realizing i have sooooooooo much to grind and Physical strength is essential as it represents my HP and weight carry limit of my equipments and INT affects my grinding speed and story i decided its yet again time for me to restart my char lol~

My 3rd and current character 8Physical, 1Agi, 1Acc, 10INT (i directly went grinding n farming for money and horses also aiming to get 100 tough first havent even give crickets yet~XD) With this stat its REEEEEEeeeally a nightmare to start with because u couldnt depend on melee attacks to even kill rovers effectively because ur hit rate vs rovers is 10-15% using ur knife so ur only choice is to go zero range n shoot them with ur limited bullets. So as soon as my first rover battle begin i started ap grinding make them panic but not bleeding and keep reloading n unloading bullets, i got a little impatient since its the 3rd playthrough and all so i stopped my first battle after i got 26AP which is actually higher and faster then a person who starts with 10Agi (20 or 21AP i think)

I continued grinding on rovers using melee attacks now since i have 26AP 10-15% melee accuracy n grinded all the way til 27AP i got 30-35% accuracy now so i moved on to drekar raiders farming them and getting slaves to help me do abit more trading thinking i can release all of them later so my slaver stat can be back to 0 but sadly after i released all my slaves to my horror my slaver stat was still 400!!!! since i want to play as a good guy i ended up farming another 200 drekar raiders right outside drekar camp n escort them back to town to reduce my slaver stat slowly, oh and i went to another AP grinding madness cuz 27AP wasnt ending the battles fast enough for me and i grinded all the way to 54AP and begin farming drekar raiders for slaves to escort.

***Note*** After doing 200 drekar battles...... and releasing them to drekar camp since it was right beside me i came to realize a hidden feature in the game, that is the population actually affects the market in the game, my goat milk was selling around 800 gold and my goat meat was selling around 5000 each and each goat was selling about 80-100k and since all the drekar raiders are dropping me tons of milk n meat i got like 50million by the end of first day with milions of skill exp and battle exp.

2nd day was pure AP grinding and farming and transfering slaves from drekar to all other towns and of course marking down all the map locations, now my ap is 108 with decent accuracy and decent exp in everything.

3rd day, So upon discovering this hidden feature im currently farming ONLY mad dogs for horses and capturing them to be workforce for all the towns in game (im a perfectionist so i tend to go extreme in everything lol) my weight limit is now 70 tons (all horses + carts) thats 336 female Horses and 1 male Horse and i havent gotten carts for everyone yet so its probably gonna be over 100 tons, now im basically free to roam anywhere i want n kill anyone (including those 36 ppl caravans) going solo, 1 tip though when u kill 30+ ppl caravans u can actually hide behind ur horses when there r no other baracades and use hit n run tactic till all of them are dead since there is no one able to catch u when u can move over 100 tiles everyturn~XD hiding behind enemy horses works as well ^^ but enemy bazookas will still shoot u if theres only 1 horse blocking so make sure u r standing behind at least 2 horses if there r bazookas enemy left.

So~~~ all n all what i feel is if everyone are already playing this game for weeks and are still hiding and avoiding enemies i think u should invest some time on AP grinding since it allows u to solo the game without the use of any allies or merc ^^ its much better then having to save n reset n worrying u might die anytime, u dont even need to worry about weapons or equipments just use whatever the enemies are dropping u can kill all of them easily ^^

=^w^= sharing my 2cents of gameplay so far ^^ will begin breezing through the storyline after maybe i get 1000000 tons of horses (LOL cuz i want to try bankrupting ppl using horse milk~ <3 )

PS: im still at first year in game ^^
posted
by:
ivan

rank: Decanus
Oh another thing is getting high AP lets u always stay at 100% moral in battles and ur prisoners and slaves will get over 80% morale in a few seconds, this will help those who are looking for good mercenaries if u wish to play multiple characters ^^
posted
by:
SixGunRumba

rank: Miles
@ivan wow, awesome, thanks for sharing. That's a mighty fine tale of dickery, hehe.
posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by ivan:
well i just started playing the game on monday and after testing 2 rounds with the stats, 8 physical, 10agi, 1acc, 1int was my first one then i realized i was learning stuff n gaining experience too slowly for everything (because i love grinding and maxing out everything so a 1 int exp rate is horrible and i saw how u guys said that INT grants u additional options/gameplay) going physical and agi lets me start the game easily but its gonna get tough without accuracy and if u want to grind up might as well grind all the way with INT is what i feel.

So 2 hours later (after playing a little n reading message boards) i tried using 10 physical, 2agi, 1acc, 7int because i feel it will help me out with carrying stuff since i wish to be a solo player n not use merc or volunteers, trading at the starting area was fine and all and i grinded my ap directly fighting rovers and had 30ap already n reached the part where i have to kill kevin n i realize even though i started with 2agi i was alot slower then most enemies at first but after my first few rovers battle my speed was faster then them and i started faster then kevin too and killed him instantly. This actually meant that agi is a pretty much a useless stat too.

As soon as i realized AP = speed in battle and my character is just riding on horses 24/7 and since i only have 2agi n 1acc at that time i had to grind like crazy because my accuracy was like 20% using melee attacks which also became a greater nightmare when it became 5% with 1agi 1acc when i fought against shinobis, so realizing i have sooooooooo much to grind and Physical strength is essential as it represents my HP and weight carry limit of my equipments and INT affects my grinding speed and story i decided its yet again time for me to restart my char lol~

My 3rd and current character 8Physical, 1Agi, 1Acc, 10INT (i directly went grinding n farming for money and horses also aiming to get 100 tough first havent even give crickets yet~XD) With this stat its REEEEEEeeeally a nightmare to start with because u couldnt depend on melee attacks to even kill rovers effectively because ur hit rate vs rovers is 10-15% using ur knife so ur only choice is to go zero range n shoot them with ur limited bullets. So as soon as my first rover battle begin i started ap grinding make them panic but not bleeding and keep reloading n unloading bullets, i got a little impatient since its the 3rd playthrough and all so i stopped my first battle after i got 26AP which is actually higher and faster then a person who starts with 10Agi (20 or 21AP i think)

I continued grinding on rovers using melee attacks now since i have 26AP 10-15% melee accuracy n grinded all the way til 27AP i got 30-35% accuracy now so i moved on to drekar raiders farming them and getting slaves to help me do abit more trading thinking i can release all of them later so my slaver stat can be back to 0 but sadly after i released all my slaves to my horror my slaver stat was still 400!!!! since i want to play as a good guy i ended up farming another 200 drekar raiders right outside drekar camp n escort them back to town to reduce my slaver stat slowly, oh and i went to another AP grinding madness cuz 27AP wasnt ending the battles fast enough for me and i grinded all the way to 54AP and begin farming drekar raiders for slaves to escort.

***Note*** After doing 200 drekar battles...... and releasing them to drekar camp since it was right beside me i came to realize a hidden feature in the game, that is the population actually affects the market in the game, my goat milk was selling around 800 gold and my goat meat was selling around 5000 each and each goat was selling about 80-100k and since all the drekar raiders are dropping me tons of milk n meat i got like 50million by the end of first day with milions of skill exp and battle exp.

2nd day was pure AP grinding and farming and transfering slaves from drekar to all other towns and of course marking down all the map locations, now my ap is 108 with decent accuracy and decent exp in everything.

3rd day, So upon discovering this hidden feature im currently farming ONLY mad dogs for horses and capturing them to be workforce for all the towns in game (im a perfectionist so i tend to go extreme in everything lol) my weight limit is now 70 tons (all horses + carts) thats 336 female Horses and 1 male Horse and i havent gotten carts for everyone yet so its probably gonna be over 100 tons, now im basically free to roam anywhere i want n kill anyone (including those 36 ppl caravans) going solo, 1 tip though when u kill 30+ ppl caravans u can actually hide behind ur horses when there r no other baracades and use hit n run tactic till all of them are dead since there is no one able to catch u when u can move over 100 tiles everyturn~XD hiding behind enemy horses works as well ^^ but enemy bazookas will still shoot u if theres only 1 horse blocking so make sure u r standing behind at least 2 horses if there r bazookas enemy left.

So~~~ all n all what i feel is if everyone are already playing this game for weeks and are still hiding and avoiding enemies i think u should invest some time on AP grinding since it allows u to solo the game without the use of any allies or merc ^^ its much better then having to save n reset n worrying u might die anytime, u dont even need to worry about weapons or equipments just use whatever the enemies are dropping u can kill all of them easily ^^

=^w^= sharing my 2cents of gameplay so far ^^ will begin breezing through the storyline after maybe i get 1000000 tons of horses (LOL cuz i want to try bankrupting ppl using horse milk~ <3 )

PS: im still at first year in game ^^

Heh, gonna try this with 6 physical, 1 agility, 3 accuracy and 10 int. If it is a load of BS, then I waste a few hours figuring that out. If it is not, then I should have nearly the same results with a slightly easier time in the beginning since I will have a little higher accuracy to start.

Hope it is not BS...I cannot imagine 100+AP, but I thought the game mechanics capped how much you could improve any one thing...I'm skeptical but intrigued.
posted
by:
Tiruin

rank: Miles
Sadly, its a mighty tall tale.
As in, several skewed details interwoven with the truth. Population, price...AP affecting morale...
Not to mention the time and days done for it. Unless you mean the days playing the game and not in-game ones.

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posted
by:
DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by Tiruin:
Sadly, its a mighty tall tale.
As in, several skewed details interwoven with the truth. Population, price...AP affecting morale...
Not to mention the time and days done for it. Unless you mean the days playing the game and not in-game ones.

But can you really work AP up over 100 with a 10 int?
posted
by:
ivan

rank: Decanus
Actually everything is true and yes u can work over 100AP with or without 10INT its doesnt matter because it depends on the amount of AP u used to lvl it up, ill let u know if i hit a limit and seriously y would i bother typing so much if im just lying

You will see in the video how i do battles, and prisoner and slave morales raising in seconds (will raise even faster when my AP is even higher) Oh and err guys if u are try to get a low slaver rep u MUST rescue them and NOT buy n release them, because everytime u BUY a slave u immediately get +5 slaver, so the only way to get a low slaver is to rescue em and escort back to town, at the end of the video u will see how easy it is for me to grind through all the drekars and populate towns as well as getting a good income ^^ the drekar raiders battles actually usually lasts for like 10-15 secs or so each but it took longer because im taking a video ^^

Ill just show a video link it might be easier that way, youtu.be/uRC4I_CE4jM <--- very big file still uploading check tmr i dont take videos often so didnt changed file format. video is at 12% 460mins left as of this edit.

PS: Its been 2 years since my last post, ive been waiting around for my solar panels, 208L plastic barrels and few other items as well as populating towns with my prisoners n slaves and also sold all my 10yrs old and above horses ^^ Enjoy the video~XD

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posted
by:
tiagocesar

rank: Tiro
What is the easiest way to get money int the begining of the game?
posted
by:
ivan

rank: Decanus

Posted by tiagocesar:
What is the easiest way to get money int the begining of the game?

If you dont wish to grind ur stats and do battles like i do, then the easiest would be to buy wool from linthu and sell to pullid, u can also get yarn from pullid and sell to kivi but kivi wont buy that many yarn for u for a profit so its safer to just sell wool to pullid market, the easiest way to play this game however is to do what i did (look above) because that way u dont actually need to do any trading at all ^^ u can make huge profits just by walking into random battles ^^
posted
by:
Tiruin

rank: Miles
Err, Ivan? If everything was true--it'd be a giant hassle to even get past Rovers with that 1 Agi (and limited ammo). On hard. That must've been a ton of reloading you did.

~~
Oh and err guys if u are try to get a low slaver rep u MUST rescue them and NOT buy n release them, because everytime u BUY a slave u immediately get +5 slaver
~~
Not really :v
When you buy a slave, you can immediately release them for no increase to your slaver rep, and a positive increase to your...non-slaver rep. You CAN buy and release them.

It's only when you use them (ie bring them out of town//world map movement or time passing AT ALL) where it counts.

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posted
by:
ivan

rank: Decanus
like i told u i immediately grinded on my first rover battle, so that limited ammo was more then enough lol, with 1agi and 1acc if you dont grind immediately ur gg in the game because u cant hit anyone with ur melee attacks, and if u get a arm dmg u might not even be able to do ur attacks at all, so if u wish to follow my build u MUST start training AP on ur first rover battle

My method is basically the hardest way to play the game at first but easiest at the end ^^ so if u think hard mode is hard? playing my build is 100x harder to get started but it allows the most possible endings and freedom of gameplay in the end ^^ i really like not having the need to avoid anyone and can kill 68ppl caravans when i see them (yes there are 68 ppl caravans)

PS: if ur hardcore enough and not worry about the game crashing while u grind AP u can grind all the way to thousands of AP during ur first rover battle, but my first battle i stopped at 26AP because that was more then enough to get me started already ^^ and also its better to grind AP with a weapon that requires more AP to reload, like a Crossbow 7AP reload. 390 mins left for video to load since this edit.

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posted
by:
ivan

rank: Decanus

Posted by Tiruin:
Err, Ivan? If everything was true--it'd be a giant hassle to even get past Rovers with that 1 Agi (and limited ammo). On hard. That must've been a ton of reloading you did.

~~
Oh and err guys if u are try to get a low slaver rep u MUST rescue them and NOT buy n release them, because everytime u BUY a slave u immediately get +5 slaver
~~
Not really :v
When you buy a slave, you can immediately release them for no increase to your slaver rep, and a positive increase to your...non-slaver rep. You CAN buy and release them.

It's only when you use them (ie bring them out of town//world map movement or time passing AT ALL) where it counts.

Nope if u have -100 slaver and u buy a slave = +5 slaver and if u release it immediately u get -1 slaver only so if u wish to get low slaver points u MUST rescue n escort them and not buy n release.

Buying and releasing is ONLY useful when u did a mistake like mine and have like 400 slaver points to begin with, if u buy and sell from there then yes it will reduce ur slaver points but if u are starting with 0 slaver points and wish to get lower u MUST rescue n escort

PS: video time 360mins left as of this edit, but i think its gonna finish uploading in maybe 2hours or less and not 6hours ^^

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DavidJ

rank: Discens

Posted by ivan:
like i told u i immediately grinded on my first rover battle, so that limited ammo was more then enough lol, with 1agi and 1acc if you dont grind immediately ur gg in the game because u cant hit anyone with ur melee attacks, and if u get a arm dmg u might not even be able to do ur attacks at all, so if u wish to follow my build u MUST start training AP on ur first rover battle

My method is basically the hardest way to play the game at first but easiest at the end ^^ so if u think hard mode is hard? playing my build is 100x harder to get started but it allows the most possible endings and freedom of gameplay in the end ^^ i really like not having the need to avoid anyone and can kill 68ppl caravans when i see them (yes there are 68 ppl caravans)

PS: if ur hardcore enough and not worry about the game crashing while u grind AP u can grind all the way to thousands of AP during ur first rover battle, but my first battle i stopped at 26AP because that was more then enough to get me started already ^^ and also its better to grind AP with a weapon that requires more AP to reload, like a Crossbow 7AP reload. 390 mins left for video to load since this edit.

I'm sorry, Ivan, but when you say "grinding the first battle", you mean just sitting there with one guy panicked and you just keep running back and forth until your AP goes up? Is that what you mean by grinding?
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ivan

rank: Decanus
Hard or normal mode its basically the same thing, the only difference is on hardmode ur battles are a little harder thats all, but if u wish to do grinding right from start like me u can pick hardmode because with high enough AP the battles are all easy~XD

u will gun down or slice down everyone in a single turn eventually even if u fight a 68 man caravan on solo besides if u wish to have a challenge n train mercenaries and stuff u can do it for fun and not because u HAVE to.

u could always train 10 mercenaries with like 100-300 salary weekly with the lowest stat possible if u like to tortue urself~XD, but anyways after training ur mercenaries and u wish to have a challenge u COULD get into a 68man caravan battle and limit urself in battles to use like 30AP or so for each character if u CHOOSE to do so when u feel like it from time to time and NOT forced to do so for every single battle ur walking into.

Its a torture trying to avoid n run away from battles everytime u travel from town to town, besides i hate controlling multiple characters lol~~ i prefer using 1 man to fight against all odds
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ivan

rank: Decanus

Posted by DavidJ:
I'm sorry, Ivan, but when you say "grinding the first battle", you mean just sitting there with one guy panicked and you just keep running back and forth until your AP goes up? Is that what you mean by grinding?

no actually u have ur pistol right? just press R (reload), U (unload) and N (end turn) so for a pistol its 3ap for each reload and if u have 9 ap it will be R,U,R,U,R,U and if u have 10ap = R,U,R,U,R,U, N, dont have to run around, u can just do this while u watch a movie or something~XD

On a side note, crossbows needs 7AP to reload, so after u get like 21 or so ap, u might want to fight a raider battle instead to loot their armor and crossbows from them, im currently using a MG42, its a 7AP reload also i have no idea who i looted it from but based on the number of bullets i have im guessing i got it from Mad Dogs ^^

Ur AP gaining gets longer with each each AP u gain, like after i hit 100AP, i took like 3 hours to reach 107AP initially i took about 3 hours to hit 40AP btw.

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DavidJ

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Posted by ivan:
no actually u have ur pistol right? just press R (reload), U (unload) and N (end turn) so for a pistol its 3ap for each reload and if u have 9 ap it will be R,U,R,U,R,U and if u have 10ap = R,U,R,U,R,U, N, dont have to run around, u can just do this while u watch a movie or something~XD

On a side note, crossbows needs 7AP to reload, so after u get like 21 or so ap, u might want to fight a raider battle instead to loot their armor and crossbows from them, im currently using a MG42, its a 7AP reload also i have no idea who i looted it from but based on the number of bullets i have im guessing i got it from Mad Dogs ^^

Ur AP gaining gets longer with each each AP u gain, like after i hit 100AP, i took like 3 hours to reach 107AP initially i took about 3 hours to hit 40AP btw.

Is there a limit to how much AP you can gain per battle? Been banging on the keyboard for 15 minutes now and can't get above 11...
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ivan

rank: Decanus

Posted by DavidJ:
Is there a limit to how much AP you can gain per battle? Been banging on the keyboard for 15 minutes now and can't get above 11...

nope there is no limit per battle u can gain millions of AP in ur first battle if u want to, if ur too lazy to click manually go use a customizable controller, keyboard, mouse or write a simple script to press R,U and N for u, but take note all ur weapons proficiency, dodge, pain threshold etc all must be done by u ^^

On a side note anyone know how Toughness is raised ? im pretty sure there r other ways besides talking to npc because mine raised to 23 pretty much just walking around fighting in desert without doing any quests, i want to raise it to 100 toughness for 1 of lois choices in conversation.

DavidJ PS: no one said training was fun~XD

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DavidJ

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Posted by DavidJ:
Is there a limit to how much AP you can gain per battle? Been banging on the keyboard for 15 minutes now and can't get above 11...

Hah, nevermind. Maybe banging on a keyboard ceaselessly for hours on end is someone elses idea of fun, its not mine. Best of luck, but I'm done with Caravaneer 2.
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ivan

rank: Decanus

Posted by DavidJ:
Hah, nevermind. Maybe banging on a keyboard ceaselessly for hours on end is someone elses idea of fun, its not mine. Best of luck, but I'm done with Caravaneer 2.

yea its a really good game, i love sandbox games like these but i actually multi task alot at the same time ^^ like playing summoners war on my phone, watching a movie while listening to music, playing league of legend and play other browser games while waiting for matchup~XD
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Enaragon

rank: Miles
Ivan, how did you train your characters accuracy for long ranged? My character is also 8/1/1/10, and he's useless in battles because he can't hit anything with a rifle, even with 30 AP.
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ivan

rank: Decanus

Posted by Enaragon:
Ivan, how did you train your characters accuracy for long ranged? My character is also 8/1/1/10, and he's useless in battles because he can't hit anything with a rifle, even with 30 AP.

Oh thats easy ^^ fire in melee range and keep firing it will eventually get more n more accurate and if u keep firing n train enough u can even fire bazookas from 1 end of the map to the other end at 100%

when u shoot from point blank its pretty much 100% all the time even if u have 1 accuracy, eventually ur range weapon will increase, train ANY melee weapon = +close combat and + that particular weapon efficiency, close combat affects all close combat weapon n that particular weapon type efficiency only affects that class of weapons.

For example, u want to train range weapons, u use a M16 (machine gun) then u changed to a M21, MG42 etc their accuracy vs the same particular monster will always be the same (note each weapon may have different bonus accuracy also) But the base accuracy from all of them is the same like when u use ANY machine gun, the accuracy u received is = range weapon skill x 0.5 and + whatever exp u trained in machine guns

Take note that training ANY melee or range weapons will up their basic close combat or ranged weapon and those 2 stat affects all weapons accuracy, but its best to focus on using ur favorite weapon directly first, for me im training machine guns and rifles first to get my basic ranged accuracy to be high enough first before i start training my bazookas (because bazookas have blast aoe dmg if u fire from zero range u will die with it)

and guys my video is ready go check it out ^^
youtu.be/uRC4I_CE4jM <--- have to use this link cuz i still cant post a link since i just joined the forum

PS: next time have some faith in people and not just think they r bluffing if u nv actually tried it out urself

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Enaragon

rank: Miles
Hahahaha, Ivan you are a genius. Thanks so much for sharing.
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ivan

rank: Decanus
Just remember to bring enough supplies if u r farming for prisoners or slaves because once ur caravan is big enough and the prisoners n slaves slows u down u practically will have to fight 50-100 battles before u are free to do anything which is why it would be best to kill them in 1 turn, because it will take forever for a few hundred slaves to run away in battles every turn, so before u get into a large scale slaves farming make sure ur AP is high enough u want to overpowerly crush all of em in 1 turn.

Oh and errr.... plan ahead on where u want to release the slaves n prisoners because im not sure if they will affects the battles in the story mode for example my drekar had less then 100 population when i first started now its over 300, im just worried if i keep sending slaves in when the other tribes are running over drekar they all could get wiped out instead @_@ i havent tried it yet but theres the possibility if its only less then a thousand population its still ok because it wouldnt take so long to populate the other tribes but maybe its wise not to mindlessly send everything to drekar because if they r destroyed so will all the population inside which is kinda sad.

I know after the drekars r destroyed u can rebuild all their industries (if u let them run away the whole drekar tribe is gone from the map, so u rather destroy them instead to at least preserve the industries) theres this Robbery industry which only consumes money to maintain to give more money, AFTER u destroy drekar u can choose to populate that area with prisoners again and bring em all into robbery industry, this will cause ALL ROVERS to run away when they see u on map so only do this after u no longer wish to grind on rovers, robbery industry is actually pretty good because its self sufficient and dont need any additional resources other then people, its actually the MOST profiting industry business in the long run, 1 robber after removing his upkeep gives u ard 100 gold a day so 10000 = 1million gold a day <--- 1000 actually isnt a big number because when u get over 100 AP, ur enemies tend to get send into panic easily, sometimes i fight a group of 10 now i kill 4 or 5 the rest of them goes into panic without ever needing to injure them.

*cough~* besides what better industry are there that gives u money for free without ever worrying about storage space~XD 100k population = 100million a day +_+!!! ima be filthy rich!!!!!!!!!

So instead of worrying about trade routes might as well go into the robbery business~XDDDDDD my current farming speed is about 200 prisoners a hour <--- farm the weakest ones with big groups and gets into panic easily, u can start with the ones at new serino region (the prisoners i farmed are mad dogs because they give me horses as well to transport them at full speed) theres actually an area filled with tons of them u can just stand there and they will keep swarming to u like bees, the only problem is to actually ending the battle in 1 turn, i probably need to grind my AP to 200-300 or so to be able to do that. (but i was aiming to grind til it hits max or when i get 1000AP anyways so its ok ^^) Alternatively u could grind a 2nd character to help u, maybe one of the recruitable volunteers since it might take too long for 1 character to grind to 1000AP, its much faster to grind multiple instead of focusing on 1, that way ur battles will still end in 1 turn ^^

So for fellow grinders lets become the next big bad ass once we destroy drekars +_+ and take over the world!!!!!! RAWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS: so far i cant tell if doing robbery industry affects ur reputation at all, it seems fine so far but if anyone knows if it will affects any of ur reputation please let me know ^^

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Enaragon

rank: Miles
awesome ideas ivan
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SixGunRumba

rank: Miles
awesome indeed.

I did a small robbery operation on one of my first toons and I don't remember noticing any negative effects but it was very small compared to the great robber barony ya seem to have in mind, hehe. I don't recall making alot of of it either but like I said it was pretty small and like ya said, no overhead.

I think I busted up too many janubi cops not knowing when to stop and the feds hated me ( I assume for other reasons tho') but I don't think it affected anything as far as qubba, ozbet and the starting zone..if that makes sense.
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